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		<title>By: sally</title>
		<link>http://katiesmith.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/police-suicides-whats-going-on/#comment-1175</link>
		<dc:creator>sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three policemen, senior ones, commit &quot;suicide&quot; within 2 weeks.

No one thinks this is funny at all. Quite normal.

In three weeks&#039; time the poiice force is going to be chipped. Of course, you must chip the forces (military or police) first to keep their dissent under control when they are asked to do things they would rather not do. Martial law, arrest ... anything not quite &quot;democratic&quot;.

So, here&#039;s my hunch. They were all knocked off because they didn&#039;t want to do something. Or maybe they did commit suicide because similarly they didn&#039;t approve of doing something. Was that something, perhaps, the chipping of the police force?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three policemen, senior ones, commit &#8220;suicide&#8221; within 2 weeks.</p>
<p>No one thinks this is funny at all. Quite normal.</p>
<p>In three weeks&#8217; time the poiice force is going to be chipped. Of course, you must chip the forces (military or police) first to keep their dissent under control when they are asked to do things they would rather not do. Martial law, arrest &#8230; anything not quite &#8220;democratic&#8221;.</p>
<p>So, here&#8217;s my hunch. They were all knocked off because they didn&#8217;t want to do something. Or maybe they did commit suicide because similarly they didn&#8217;t approve of doing something. Was that something, perhaps, the chipping of the police force?</p>
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		<title>By: Another Policeman Dead &#171; ECLECTIC</title>
		<link>http://katiesmith.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/police-suicides-whats-going-on/#comment-1128</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Policeman Dead &#171; ECLECTIC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (previous related blog entry here) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: katiesmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>katiesmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you all for your input.

Another blog link that may interest you:

http://codshit.blogspot.com/2008/03/chief-constable-miketodds-killing.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you all for your input.</p>
<p>Another blog link that may interest you:</p>
<p><a href="http://codshit.blogspot.com/2008/03/chief-constable-miketodds-killing.html" rel="nofollow">http://codshit.blogspot.com/2008/03/chief-constable-miketodds-killing.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: ziz</title>
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		<dc:creator>ziz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re last post and link which says &quot; and Bournemouth Inspector Neil Munro, who was found dead in the waters off Millionaire&#039;s Row, in Dorset, where he was tasked with investigating the yachts of the superrich believed involved in this growing scandal. &quot;

It would be interesting to stand this up. Certainly plenty of wealthy yacht owners who &quot;pop&quot; over to the CI for the &quot;weekend&quot; , in the vicinity.

AS Munro spent some time breaking up a party with lots of uninvited guests  - reported in the local press the week prior to his unscheduled swim, it doesn&#039;t seem to be the right sort of mix of tasks for him.

On that point - in theory (because he had ticket in his pocket) he jumped off the ferry and the following morning at 8.00 his body is ashore  - no expert on Poole harbour but that time frame seems a mite swift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re last post and link which says &#8221; and Bournemouth Inspector Neil Munro, who was found dead in the waters off Millionaire&#8217;s Row, in Dorset, where he was tasked with investigating the yachts of the superrich believed involved in this growing scandal. &#8221;</p>
<p>It would be interesting to stand this up. Certainly plenty of wealthy yacht owners who &#8220;pop&#8221; over to the CI for the &#8220;weekend&#8221; , in the vicinity.</p>
<p>AS Munro spent some time breaking up a party with lots of uninvited guests  &#8211; reported in the local press the week prior to his unscheduled swim, it doesn&#8217;t seem to be the right sort of mix of tasks for him.</p>
<p>On that point &#8211; in theory (because he had ticket in his pocket) he jumped off the ferry and the following morning at 8.00 his body is ashore  &#8211; no expert on Poole harbour but that time frame seems a mite swift.</p>
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		<title>By: clifford davidson</title>
		<link>http://katiesmith.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/police-suicides-whats-going-on/#comment-1069</link>
		<dc:creator>clifford davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a website with some speculation on this topic. It may be a bit further down the rabbithole than most are willing to consider, though:

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1079.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a website with some speculation on this topic. It may be a bit further down the rabbithole than most are willing to consider, though:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1079.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1079.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://katiesmith.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/police-suicides-whats-going-on/#comment-1067</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Brit wrote:

&quot;Surely, absolutely ANYone who’d chosen to go for “a walk” - where they did, when they did, should be sectioned&quot;

The group that found him were up there the day after he died, when the weather over here had calmed down a lot. Snowdon is a busy mountain - every time I&#039;ve been up there (~50 times over 15 years) I&#039;ve always seen someone else, even on weekdays in crappy weather.

The more I think about it, the more I doubt there was any foul play. There would be much simpler ways to make it look like he&#039;d killed himself. Dragging him (or his body) up to BG last Monday would have been a major feat of logistics and would have required a very high level of outdoorsmanship.

As for getting bogged down in technical details, well, facts are facts. I don&#039;t like advancing an argument from authority, but I&#039;m reasonably sure that anyone who knows Snowdon and knows the practicalities of being up there in extreme conditions would be highly sceptical of any foul play theory.

I remain interested in why these three suicides have happened in the same week, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Brit wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Surely, absolutely ANYone who’d chosen to go for “a walk” &#8211; where they did, when they did, should be sectioned&#8221;</p>
<p>The group that found him were up there the day after he died, when the weather over here had calmed down a lot. Snowdon is a busy mountain &#8211; every time I&#8217;ve been up there (~50 times over 15 years) I&#8217;ve always seen someone else, even on weekdays in crappy weather.</p>
<p>The more I think about it, the more I doubt there was any foul play. There would be much simpler ways to make it look like he&#8217;d killed himself. Dragging him (or his body) up to BG last Monday would have been a major feat of logistics and would have required a very high level of outdoorsmanship.</p>
<p>As for getting bogged down in technical details, well, facts are facts. I don&#8217;t like advancing an argument from authority, but I&#8217;m reasonably sure that anyone who knows Snowdon and knows the practicalities of being up there in extreme conditions would be highly sceptical of any foul play theory.</p>
<p>I remain interested in why these three suicides have happened in the same week, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hypothermia is not simple, and it isn&#039;t easy to document medically. According to the local paper here in Bangor his abdomen was livid pink, which is an indicator of death by hypothermia, but not proof. I did a first aid course with the local rescue team years ago, and I seem to recall that final proof needs a detailed blood analysis to look for things like abnormal glucose levels - more than the blood/alcohol test they seem to have done initially, anyway.

One thing I would say is that if I wanted to murder someone and park their body on Snowdon so that it definitely looked like suicide, I&#039;d heave him off the north cliffs of Crib Goch, just under a mile from where he died. If, on the other hand, I wanted to commit suicide up there, I&#039;d probably decide that having a drink and lying down in the snow would be an easier  - there aren&#039;t many places up there where you could get a clear jump without bouncing a fair bit on the way down.

So, I repeat: I think his death may be suspicious because of its proximity in time to the deaths of those other coppers. Based on what I&#039;ve read, there&#039;s no real question of the cause of death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hypothermia is not simple, and it isn&#8217;t easy to document medically. According to the local paper here in Bangor his abdomen was livid pink, which is an indicator of death by hypothermia, but not proof. I did a first aid course with the local rescue team years ago, and I seem to recall that final proof needs a detailed blood analysis to look for things like abnormal glucose levels &#8211; more than the blood/alcohol test they seem to have done initially, anyway.</p>
<p>One thing I would say is that if I wanted to murder someone and park their body on Snowdon so that it definitely looked like suicide, I&#8217;d heave him off the north cliffs of Crib Goch, just under a mile from where he died. If, on the other hand, I wanted to commit suicide up there, I&#8217;d probably decide that having a drink and lying down in the snow would be an easier  &#8211; there aren&#8217;t many places up there where you could get a clear jump without bouncing a fair bit on the way down.</p>
<p>So, I repeat: I think his death may be suspicious because of its proximity in time to the deaths of those other coppers. Based on what I&#8217;ve read, there&#8217;s no real question of the cause of death.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurent Bourgeois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurent Bourgeois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting website about Dorset Police is :
www.dorset-police.com 
Not the official site of the Police of course !
State persecusion and the huge implied distress it causes is not unknown to me for having challenged the established order .
Strange things are happening in our lovely Dorset county !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting website about Dorset Police is :<br />
<a href="http://www.dorset-police.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.dorset-police.com</a><br />
Not the official site of the Police of course !<br />
State persecusion and the huge implied distress it causes is not unknown to me for having challenged the established order .<br />
Strange things are happening in our lovely Dorset county !</p>
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		<title>By: This Old Brit</title>
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		<dc:creator>This Old Brit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all too easy to get so bogged down in the details/technicalities/etc that one loses sight of the wood because of all the trees.  

The plain, simple, uncomplicated and undeniable truth is this:For many days before this happened, absolutely all of the UK had been warned over &amp; over again of the literally horrendous/catastrophic  weather conditions, both already prevailing and futher forecast.

Nonetheless, we are asked to believe that a &quot;party of walkers&quot; accidently stumble upon a body.   No wonder none of this &quot;partry of walkers&quot; have been neither identified/named/numbered.   Surely, absolutely ANYone who&#039;d chosen to go for &quot;a walk&quot; - &lt;b&gt;where&lt;/b&gt; they did, &lt;b&gt;when&lt;/b&gt; they did, should be sectioned?  Maybe that&#039;s why they&#039;re now laying so low, eh?

Of course, there is an alternativer explanation ... and if you ask me, no matter how fancifull it may at first seem to some, I&#039;m completely convinced that&#039;s it&#039;s a much more plausible one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all too easy to get so bogged down in the details/technicalities/etc that one loses sight of the wood because of all the trees.  </p>
<p>The plain, simple, uncomplicated and undeniable truth is this:For many days before this happened, absolutely all of the UK had been warned over &amp; over again of the literally horrendous/catastrophic  weather conditions, both already prevailing and futher forecast.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, we are asked to believe that a &#8220;party of walkers&#8221; accidently stumble upon a body.   No wonder none of this &#8220;partry of walkers&#8221; have been neither identified/named/numbered.   Surely, absolutely ANYone who&#8217;d chosen to go for &#8220;a walk&#8221; &#8211; <b>where</b> they did, <b>when</b> they did, should be sectioned?  Maybe that&#8217;s why they&#8217;re now laying so low, eh?</p>
<p>Of course, there is an alternativer explanation &#8230; and if you ask me, no matter how fancifull it may at first seem to some, I&#8217;m completely convinced that&#8217;s it&#8217;s a much more plausible one.</p>
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		<title>By: katiesmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>katiesmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All valid points Bill, so ask yourself why they seem/ed to be finding a cause of death so difficult to come by. Were it simple hypothermia as you believe then why the struggle by the coronor to find a cause of death?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All valid points Bill, so ask yourself why they seem/ed to be finding a cause of death so difficult to come by. Were it simple hypothermia as you believe then why the struggle by the coronor to find a cause of death?</p>
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