Police ‘Suicides’: What’s Going On?

Three policemen dead within four days; one shot himself, one jumped off a ferry and one was found dead in Snowdonia…coincidence?
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I don’t know about anybody else but there’s a David Kellyesque feeling about these so called suicides…
Immediately after David Kelly’s timely and impossible to do suicide, we heard from the media that he had suffered from depression and stress. This was emphasised to ensure we accepted his suicide as being suicide.
We are now told that Manchester police chief Michael Todd who was found dead in Snowdonia also suffered from depression;
The BBC has learned he suffered from bouts of depression and had previously threatened suicide.
“In the hours before he died, he sent a series of “worrying” text messages to various people, which caused concern for their safety and his own.”
I do worry that it is assumed, conviently perhaps, that Mr Todd sent these messages. Notice it hasn’t been said that he actually spoke to someone (and it won’t be mentioned till someone questions the text messages, and like magic, a not -so- close colleague or friend will announce he spoke to Mr Todd and add that he seemed strange and morose)
Throw in news about an affair or two and the public will assume that suicide was inevitable – if it were we would have no MPs left.
‘There were no injuries on the body, and Mr Todd was fully, although lightly, clothed when found on Snowdon, the inquest at Llangefni, Anglesey, heard’
So no cause of death yet then, despite the deliberately created idea that he committed suicide. What did he do then -will himself dead? Suicide by willpower?
Dorset Inspector Neil Munro’s body was found washed up at a beach, on the exclusive Sandbanks peninsula. The Daily Mail reports
A commended police inspector has died after apparently jumping off a cross-Channel ferry, it was revealed today.
Inspector Neil Munro, 43, boarded the Brittany Ferries ship alone late last night in Poole, Dorset.
The married father-of-one – the third policeman thought to have killed himself in the space of four days – went overboard in Poole Harbour a short time after it set sail at 11.45pm.
Inspector Morse would be proud of how quickly these coincidental deaths are solved and put to bed. Expect to hear over the next few days that Mr Munro was depressed/suicidal/suffering from a serious illness/stressed/having an affair.
If nobody saw Neil Munro get on the ferry, and nobody saw him fall off it….how do they know he was even on it? Because conveniently, this man who was supposedly about to take his own life kept his ferry ticket and it was found on him….Imagine, if you will, if that ticket was not found, then we would have a policeman’s body with head injuries washed up on the shore. Do you see how the ticket is the linchpin to a suicide explanation?
‘Suicide’ number three;
The policeman in charge of security for the Duchess of Cornwall had been suffering from “domestic problems” before apparently shooting himself with a rifle, an inquest was told yesterday.
Sergeant Richard Fuller, 55, was found dead in his bed by friends on Monday. The hearing was told that his wife Jill, 45, had asked them to visit the family home, a cottage in Bremhill, near Calne, Wiltshire, after receiving a text message from her husband
Ah! More ‘domestic difficulties’/depression/stress and another text message, the new 21st century suicide note…he didn’t speak to her, he sent a text message…again, anyone could have sent a text message from his phone. Why didn’t he speak to her? Why did Mr Todd also choose to text and not to actually speak to someone? Odd, don’t you think? And these are men in their 40’s and above. It’s not like they were text addicted teenagers who have forgotten what conversations are..
Interesting links:
Postman Patel:More information about Mr Todd:
His car (Range Rover) was found in Church Road, Llanberis, 5 miles from weher he was found. He was 20 minutes from the summit when he died
The Times report the same circumstances but say that mountain rescuers were searching for over 12 hours in completely the wrong area for the officer.
The Llanberis Mountain Rescue Team received a call from North Wales police at 1am on Tuesday to say that they were concerned about Mr Todd’s well being.
A cell site analysis was carried out on his mobile telephone and the full rescue service was directed to the Menai Straights and Port Dinorwic – 10 miles from where he was eventually found.
The coast guard, search and rescue dogs and the North Wales police helicopter fruitlessly searched for Mr Todd until about 1.30pm on Tuesday when walkers found “personal items” that were identified as belonging to Mr Todd. His coat was missing which is still being searched for.
And more from the Postman here, describing Mr Todd’s investigation of CIA rendition flights and how the story of his death changed over the hours.
Update HERE
March 13, 2008 at 10:12 pm
OK, that’s wierd?
March 14, 2008 at 10:03 am
It is a bit of a rash isn’t it. Could of course be coincidence that these poor men have all died by their own hand but – they are each significantly placed police officers so one has to ask – suicide – if so why? Affairs with nice ladies that their wives were about to find out about? Or, as there is nothing in any of the cases to disprove (or prove, I of course respectfully and sincerely add) are we looking at a series of retaliatory murders. And if so, retaliation for what? Hmmmm.
March 14, 2008 at 5:40 pm
The cause of death for Todd is pretty obvious: hypothermia. I’ve been on Snowdon loads of times (I live nearby) and judging by the weather in this part of the world, being up there last Monday would have been fatal to anyone as lightly clothed as he apparently was.
According to the reports, he’d drunk a load of gin. Alcohol, of course, screws up your sense of how cold you are, so you can feel warm even though you’re dying. If I were looking for a painless way to kill myself, getting drunk and lying down in the snow would strike me as a pretty good option.
None of that proves it *was* suicide, of course – just that if it was, his chosen method isn’t as bizarre as the media would have us think.
March 14, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Thanks for your comments Bill…I’m not saying it wasn’t suicide – I’m saying that if three high ranking policeman die within four days of each other then common sense would suggest it needs careful looking at rather than being declared suicides before inquests are even held.
As for the gin – the BBC states in the report I linked to:
‘After the details of blood tests were revealed, the coroner, Dewi Pritchard-Jones, asked him: “So, not a huge amount of alcohol then?”
Dr Caslin answered: “No, sir.”
March 14, 2008 at 8:24 pm
I’m not saying it’s not suspicious. I was just responding to your apparent scepticism about about how Todd died (”…suicide by willpower?”)
He wouldn’t have needed a “huge amount” of alcohol to speed up, dramatically, the onset of fatal hypothermia. When you get cold, your body dilates the capillaries near the surface of your skin and your extremities, conserving the warmth in your core. That’s why you get numb fingers and toes in cold weather. It’s a defence mechanism.
Alcohol messes up that mechanism. So if you’ve had even a relatively small amount of alcohol in a cold environment your core temperature will drop rapidly, while your feeling of cold is correspondingly reduced.
I don’t know if you’ve done any winter walking or climbing, but conditions at 3000ft on UK mountains can be vicious. In sub-zero, windy weather it can be dangerous just to sit down and rest for five minutes unless you’re in a really sheltered spot. For the record, Bwlch Glas is not a sheltered spot. It’s quite a broad, relatively flat, open expanse on the shoulder of the mountain, not far below the summit.
In the kind of winds we had over here the other day, it’s not just the chill that’s a problem. You’ve got your work cut out just moving around. I’ve been blown off my feet while walking on Welsh hills 400m lower than Snowdon, an effect which might explain the cuts and bruises Todd apparently had.
So I’m not arguing with your central thesis. It may well not have been suicide, but the reason it looks suspicious is because of the other apparent suicides in the same week, not because of the way he died. If it was suicide, he chose a very effective, quick and relatively painless method.
If you sat down near the summit of Snowdon last Monday, having had even a moderate amount to drink, you would not need to “will yourself dead”. You’d have to fight to stay alive.
March 15, 2008 at 7:03 am
All valid points Bill, so ask yourself why they seem/ed to be finding a cause of death so difficult to come by. Were it simple hypothermia as you believe then why the struggle by the coronor to find a cause of death?
March 15, 2008 at 1:18 pm
It’s all too easy to get so bogged down in the details/technicalities/etc that one loses sight of the wood because of all the trees.
The plain, simple, uncomplicated and undeniable truth is this:For many days before this happened, absolutely all of the UK had been warned over & over again of the literally horrendous/catastrophic weather conditions, both already prevailing and futher forecast.
Nonetheless, we are asked to believe that a “party of walkers” accidently stumble upon a body. No wonder none of this “partry of walkers” have been neither identified/named/numbered. Surely, absolutely ANYone who’d chosen to go for “a walk” – where they did, when they did, should be sectioned? Maybe that’s why they’re now laying so low, eh?
Of course, there is an alternativer explanation … and if you ask me, no matter how fancifull it may at first seem to some, I’m completely convinced that’s it’s a much more plausible one.
March 15, 2008 at 1:19 pm
An interesting website about Dorset Police is :
http://www.dorset-police.com
Not the official site of the Police of course !
State persecusion and the huge implied distress it causes is not unknown to me for having challenged the established order .
Strange things are happening in our lovely Dorset county !
March 15, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Hypothermia is not simple, and it isn’t easy to document medically. According to the local paper here in Bangor his abdomen was livid pink, which is an indicator of death by hypothermia, but not proof. I did a first aid course with the local rescue team years ago, and I seem to recall that final proof needs a detailed blood analysis to look for things like abnormal glucose levels – more than the blood/alcohol test they seem to have done initially, anyway.
One thing I would say is that if I wanted to murder someone and park their body on Snowdon so that it definitely looked like suicide, I’d heave him off the north cliffs of Crib Goch, just under a mile from where he died. If, on the other hand, I wanted to commit suicide up there, I’d probably decide that having a drink and lying down in the snow would be an easier – there aren’t many places up there where you could get a clear jump without bouncing a fair bit on the way down.
So, I repeat: I think his death may be suspicious because of its proximity in time to the deaths of those other coppers. Based on what I’ve read, there’s no real question of the cause of death.
March 15, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Old Brit wrote:
“Surely, absolutely ANYone who’d chosen to go for “a walk” – where they did, when they did, should be sectioned”
The group that found him were up there the day after he died, when the weather over here had calmed down a lot. Snowdon is a busy mountain – every time I’ve been up there (~50 times over 15 years) I’ve always seen someone else, even on weekdays in crappy weather.
The more I think about it, the more I doubt there was any foul play. There would be much simpler ways to make it look like he’d killed himself. Dragging him (or his body) up to BG last Monday would have been a major feat of logistics and would have required a very high level of outdoorsmanship.
As for getting bogged down in technical details, well, facts are facts. I don’t like advancing an argument from authority, but I’m reasonably sure that anyone who knows Snowdon and knows the practicalities of being up there in extreme conditions would be highly sceptical of any foul play theory.
I remain interested in why these three suicides have happened in the same week, however.
March 16, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Here’s a website with some speculation on this topic. It may be a bit further down the rabbithole than most are willing to consider, though:
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1079.htm
March 17, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Re last post and link which says ” and Bournemouth Inspector Neil Munro, who was found dead in the waters off Millionaire’s Row, in Dorset, where he was tasked with investigating the yachts of the superrich believed involved in this growing scandal. ”
It would be interesting to stand this up. Certainly plenty of wealthy yacht owners who “pop” over to the CI for the “weekend” , in the vicinity.
AS Munro spent some time breaking up a party with lots of uninvited guests – reported in the local press the week prior to his unscheduled swim, it doesn’t seem to be the right sort of mix of tasks for him.
On that point – in theory (because he had ticket in his pocket) he jumped off the ferry and the following morning at 8.00 his body is ashore – no expert on Poole harbour but that time frame seems a mite swift.
March 18, 2008 at 8:50 am
Thank you all for your input.
Another blog link that may interest you:
http://codshit.blogspot.com/2008/03/chief-constable-miketodds-killing.html
March 28, 2008 at 7:10 pm
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April 14, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Three policemen, senior ones, commit “suicide” within 2 weeks.
No one thinks this is funny at all. Quite normal.
In three weeks’ time the poiice force is going to be chipped. Of course, you must chip the forces (military or police) first to keep their dissent under control when they are asked to do things they would rather not do. Martial law, arrest … anything not quite “democratic”.
So, here’s my hunch. They were all knocked off because they didn’t want to do something. Or maybe they did commit suicide because similarly they didn’t approve of doing something. Was that something, perhaps, the chipping of the police force?